June 5th, 2015
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Will tag the characters soon, in a rush right now.
Cast: Henry Barber, Mr Avaritia, Mr Luxuria, Ms Acedia, Ms Invidia, Ms Ira, Ms Superbia, The Butler
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From the yawn, I'm guessing that's Miss Acedia in his arms? :p
Edit: I swear, he didn't introduce their names when I first saw the comic uploaded. o.O
Notable that she's one of a group of seven. She's probably some relation to Sloth, considering the yawn. The question being the others.
Well the big hint is that their fake names are latin names of deadly sins :P. But they're also doing things connected to the sins:
Mr Gula is eating, Ms Ira seems iritated, Mr Avaritia seems to be an accountant, Ms Invidia looks jelous, Ms Superbia looks flirty and Mr Luxuria is full of himself.
EDIT: okay something was bugging me so I checked and I mixed them up, Superbia is pride and Luxuria is lust. So actually, Luxuria is exihibiting lust by being married and Ms Superbia pride by being fabulous and openly aware of it.
The colours are also a clue, right? Green for invidia, purple for pride, etc. :) (Not sure if that goes all the way through, though.)
Red for rage.
Greed: accountant, banker, mercenary, merchant or thief. I think those would be its standard personifications when human. :)
I'm the most impressed with wrath. Like gluttony, greed or sloth are so obvious with their eating, counting or yawning. But wrath is just sitting there... thinking MURDER, and it shows.
Luxuria is Latin for Lust. Gula is Latin for Gluttony. Acedia is Latin for Sloth. So, yes, I did just suggest she's Sloth.
Are Mr. Luxuria's lapels supposed to be like... Y'know?
I think that's how people actually used to wear them- I vaguely recall an article on Cracked (.com) that said that popped collars where the original style, and turning them down only caught on later.
In our universe, during the Regency Period, collars were worn so high that real dandies were unable to turn their heads.
Eustace Tilley (the mascot of The New Yorker) is a classic of the type:
I was thinking along the lines of how... Symbolic they are of his sin.
okay these are Obviously the human personifications of the Deadlies
"Catchin' your fake name theme there," indeed.
Yup. Totally a fake name theme. Nothing to worry about here.
Oooh. The hotel itself was created by Gluttony? That explains so much! Also, shouldn't it be Mr Superbia? Looks like Lust either took on the form of that beheaded fellow early in the prologue or he was the embodiment already.
I'm inclined to think that Kate made Superbia trans to strike a balance between male and female embodiments of sins, so maybe either Mr or Ms apply?
"Psh, Gender Norms are for peasants. I am too GLORIOUS to be contained by your binary definitions!"
One simply looks FABULOUS when making such BOLD statements! Only I could pull this off so well!
This is a fantastic sentiment, and I love you for expressing it.
I wondered the same thing about Superbia, but looking closer at the face I think KWill maybe correct.
Pride needs to be exceptional in every way, including physical strength. So, she takes the form of a female who's athletic to the point of being masculine, and still makes it work in the style of Freddy Mercury.
Am I the only one who's kinda jealous of Pride's look here?
I'm not envious, but Pride certainly picked an admirable form.
Or "she's" taken a 'celestial' form: angelic, unblemished, but not actually gendered or sexed. After all, as Tim Powers reminded us in Declare (if you haven't read it yet, well, you have something to look forward to): "Sin by sensuality, and you sin as a beast; sin by dishonesty, and you sin as a man; sin by pride, and you sin as the angels."
I'm liking some of the non standard roles. I think this is the first time I've seen Lust depicted as NOT a woman, and it's refreshing.
Side note, Lust being into Sloth is interesting. You'd think Sloth would always be too tired to actually DO anything and Lust would be raring to go all the time.
I like that wrath is a woman, where one may normally put a man.
I played a male 'Lust' character in Evil DnD Campaign. Mostly didn't go well because my DM didn't understand the concept of a Harem King...
Nah, it makes sense. Sloth wants to be in bed all the time. Lust wants to be in bed all the time. Sloth wants a partner who'll do all the work for her. Lust wants a partner who'll let him get to work whenever he wants. They're a perfect pair!
Read something interesting about sloth a while ago- apparently the medieval take on it wasn't just the sort of stay-in-bed-laziness we tend to depict it as but extreme apathy as well. I'm not sure whether that works in Lust's favour or not,
Well, whatever Lust comes up with, Sloth will never object...
Aye. Also Gluttony was just any sort of preoccupation with food, not just eating huge amounts. Being a picky eater, spending a lot of time making food just right, and so on technically fell within this.
Hmmmm I wonder how many dietry requirements and lifestyle choices they'd count as Gluttony then?
Chances are a lot of them, since values change over time. By the general moral view in Old Testament, food is simply something you need to consume to continue living and while it can taste okay, putting a lot of focus into food was seem as taking your focus off of God. It's for this reason there are monasteries and sects who eat very bland food and only occasionally have supplements to try and keep their diet balanced.
As a matter of fact, Lust and Sloth were also married in Bedazzled (the original with Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, not the remake). They (i.e. the devil as played by Cook) remarked on them being completely unsuited, though.
Of course, in that one, they went with the default of Lust being a woman, played by Raquel Welch: "That's Lillian Lust, the babe with the bust." I agree, a male Lust is ENORMOUSLY refreshing. I had actually been reflecting on that imbalance just recently and wishing it would be rectified, and what do you know!
Little fun fact, the main cast of Spongebob Squarepants is based off of the seven deadly sins. Spongebob is Lust. A common theme is Lust representing sexual pleasure, when really, it's gratification in all its forms.
Wouldn't that be gluttony that's gratification in all forms?
Nah...names are a complete coincidence...the real sins are out back building a tree-fort.
I call dibs on the tire swing!
Oh. And also My.
Sloth is positively cute wearing human. Envy, however: really, dear... blonde doesn't suit you. You're much happier redly green, let's face it. ;)
Sloth is -adorable-! I just want to take her home and cuddle her.
Did his introduction of people's names get edited in afterwards or am I just blind? >.>
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:O
I tried guessing what sins they represented before reading the names, I was right on every account, shows how well you made the characters :D.
Well hello there Miss Superbia, you can be my sin any day.
Also, somebody run over and mess up Mr. Avarita's hair. Please?
Yeah, Superbia is quite glorious looking. Big and butchy like a young k.d. lang, in raffish stylish gents clothes.
Huh. Just noticed the subtle neck scar on Mr. Luxuria. Definitely walked off that BEHEADING.
Nice catch! I'd forgotten about that Elizabethan guy....
Nah, he just cut himself shaving...with a *very* large blade...
Just a little off the top.
Which is why the man was so glib about it all- get on with it, as it were.
So, hotel Gula, he? Never thought about that back in chapter 4, good trick you played on us poor non-latinist...
I'm positively ashamed of myself for missing it!
Kinda makes me wonder who these humans were. Before the whole demonic possession thing anyway.
Who knows, maybe there is actually some old magic for magical beings to create a construct body. We know that the basic magic here is to imbue things with magic though so possession is not out of the question.
People with a little bit of the knack, who made the wrong deal in hopes of improving their powers?
Oh, Beard guy wasn't a servant, uh.
In the tags, he is referred to as "The Butler". And when Mr. Luxuria is speaking to Mr.Gula, he is facing off-screen to our right. I think we have yet to see Gluttony incarnate.
Hmm.
The way he's eating, though...
That's but a male saying, tho.
It's not "saying". It's an oft-misquoted line from The Mourning Bride, a play by William Congreve, and the full line is, "Heaven has no rage, like love to hatred turned, nor hell a fury like a woman scorned." It's also the same play that birthed "Music has charms to soothe the savage beast."
That's actually "Music has charms to soothe a savage breast."
First line of the play.
You sure? If I were a man, and I should know a thing or two about that seeing as I am one, I certainly wouldn't want to advertize the inferiority of my post-scorniment fury
It also remarks on the spitefulness and vindictiveness of women, the implication being those who consider themselves spurned in some sort of romantic endeavor. The hatred of a woman scorned says less about the power of the woman and more about their instability - hatred is not a good trait, and especially the 'love to hatred turned' hints at an instability that is not a compliment.
Fair point.
It is, however, quite accurate all the same.
Run away, Henry, run away . . . you're not going to listen to me, are you? Of course you aren't . . . no one ever listens . . .
Ms Superbia is HUGE :) She looks like she and Mr Gula would be the same height. I like that.
I notice Invidia has white paws and chest, I mean gloves and jabot, like a cat.
Like a fox, you mean
And I was thinking that Envy was a guy during that whole spiel with Dominik Voss.
So did I. I'll bet you they're technically genderless, like angels
That would make sense.
I do believe I once was saw a movie of Doctor Faustus in which Lust was a very manly looking woman and possible a transvestite.
In other minutia, my own personal setup for Sins has been, Gluttony: Male, Lust: Male, Greed: Male, Wrath: Female, Sloth: Male, Envy: Female, and Pride: Female.
So hooray, sort of close.
These human embodiements are fabulous designs. Their builds, expressions, styles, poses are all fantastically put together. Pride is beautiful. And as has been mentioned Lust is fabulous. He's classy, he's sexual, he's still got all his clothes- Wonderful job pet.
Pairing Invidia and Superbia was a nice touch. That huffiness.
Invidia envies Superbia most.
"Which of you is prettier?"
Pride: "I am!" ^_^
Envy: "...They are." >:(
... o.o ... Eek! They're all manifested?! Or are these people serving as avatars? Are they Sin cultists?
He's busy increasing his wealth by cooking the books instead of wheeling and dealing. That takes a different attitude.
"Loveable rogue financier" can work, though. points at Petyr Baelish Still cold-blooded, calculating and creepy, though. ;P
Wait, the butler is Gluttony? But then who was working for him in the hotel during chapter 4? Did he manifest multiple forms or something?
I'm pretty sure these aren't the actual spirits in human form. They just have some major connection to them. Perhaps something along the same line as Voss had with envy in the previous chapter.
Worse, the guy got his head back. And, survived a few centuries. The Sins don't seem to change avatars that much, given choice. :/
I imagine she makes an impressive school marm. If you're not at school. :P
Ruh-roh!
Ogod. Their colors. Their names. I see what you did there!
Mr Barber could at least have taken the time for a shave before he went to meet an important client in a posh hotel. What, does he think he's auditioning for a car advert or something? Why do the male drivers in car adverts always look as though they've spent the night on a park bench anyway?
Some folk are naturally kinda scruffy. He could probably do more to counter it, but ehhh.
I expect he's going for the 'rugged man of action' look.
Ah, and so that's why Lust is last!
Please tell me that they have some kind of theme song. Or even better, make them sing it.
Well, let me see... If gluttony took Ms Sykes appearance then [http://www.widdershinscomic...](http://www.widdershinscomic.com/wdshn/january-17th-2014/ "http://www.widdershinscomic.com/wdshn/january-17th-2014/") maybe before (or after?), here, it takes the butler appearance. Or body... OK. And what about lovely Ms Acedia, or rather the real woman whose appearance or body it has taken, could she be...
Son of crap I just noticed that there were seven of them.
Just a hunch, but going from left to right in the last panel... Gluttony, Wrath, Greed, Envy, Pride, Lust, and Sloth.
Gula = Glutton = Gluttony
Ira = Ire = Wrath
Avaritia = Avarice = Greed
Invidia = ??? = Envy (Couldn't work this one out)
Superbia = Superb = Pride
Luxuria = Luxurious = Lust
Acedia = ??? = Sloth (couldn't work that one out either).
Was I close? :P
invidia is latin for envy [http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invidia "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invidia")
acedia is latin for sloth [http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acedia "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acedia")
And all of those other names are the latin forms of gluttony, wrath, greed, pride and lust.
I gotta say, the character designs of Ira and Superbia are just phenomenal.